Only deluded people believe life has value in and of itself. When a human hasn’t even been born they are almost worthless.

Think about it; if they are born they must be fed and educated, which cost a lot of time and effort. Because we make investments in them, they increase in value. If everything goes well, this will pay of when they grow up.

But a unborn has all this work ahead of him. And if the parents can’t or don’t want to make sure he turns out right, it’s better to him murdered than have him born.

“But what about retards and old people?” you might ask. “Aren’t they also “worthless”?” Yes they are, but people still care about them for some reason, so we still keep them alive.

If you care about the unborn so much, why don’t you take care of them yourself instead of telling other people to? If you can’t, then at least let others handle the problem however they want.

This is why Christians must continue the fight against fundamentalist Atheism.

These tyrants are out to dehumanize all of humanity.

How long will it be before Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris lead a call to war, encouraging Atheists to piss in hospitals and shit in churches just to make a stand against our beliefs?

Atheistic rationalism breeds totalitarianism. The proponents of this brand of rationality know that they can shift the parameters of “good”  to support the untold evil that has and will occur from the hands of Atheists.

Everything is subjective in their evil little world for no other reason than acknowledging an objective force of good or evil would mean they have to answer something other than their charred conscience.

If you’re an Atheist, your life might be worthless. Indeed you will be going to Hell. I honestly don’t fucking care anymore. Neither does Jesus. We’re both the same. I’m on his lifeboat. You’re on the Titanic!

When I’m on the decks of Heaven sipping a cocktail I will not even pour a drop of Martini down to cool your tongue because I know you’d just spit it back into an unborn baby’s eye.

Sometimes one just has to admit when the game is up.

I have no doubt a man named Jesus Christ walked this Earth. I also have no doubt of the grief he would feel as a result of all things done in his name. When History clearly shows us the bad far out weighing the good, a belief of this kind, no matter how well established, how well intentioned,  is ultimately a failure… and you can apply that to any religion.

I know that, you know that and he would concur. It’s man made idealism which forces humanity to take sides, the result our grief filled planet all in the name of whoever or whatever…that’s why it fails and why it’s truly irrelevant and wrong.

It is not the idealism that is wrong my friend. It is mans fault for failing to live up to what is expected of us. We are the weak ones, not God.

It bothers me when Christians wonder where atheists get their morals. Like we somehow approve of everything by default.

I feel a certain amount of behavior is genetic. Besides that though is the fact that we all learn from experience. We can sympathize with others who suffer. We want to help them, because god can not, and also save our selves from suffering.

We make rules to remind us that certain actions will likely lead to our own suffering. If I try to kill someone then their family will target me. If I try to take from someone they will defend what they feel is theirs.

These concepts aren’t hard to piece together even for a very simple minded person. More importantly, none of them require god.

I guess as a Christian your supposed to be preachy and such. Well I think we would all be better off as allies rather than enemies. So stop being so pushy.

Some of your reactions are pretty funny though. I don’t think Hitler is a confirmed atheist either. From what I have read he made positive statements about Christianity. It doesn’t make much sense having him on your banner up there.

I don’t think Atheists ‘approve’ of everything by default. I know of many Atheists who are moral creatures and contribute to society. I just think that people would be better off if they stuck with Judeo-Christian morals.

Where has secular morality got us in the last 100 years? We’re still killing innocent children for goodness sake!

I will start out by saying that to me Christianity has some good concepts. It is especially motivational. That’s probably one reason we have the technology we have today. Whether things where invented by believers or as a result of opposition to belief, we all get the benefits.

That said, I will not even claim I know much about the bible. What I do know is that people I grew up with that where supposedly Christian did not act like Christians in the way that I understand the religion to be. I saw very little good.

I tried really hard for a long time to believe in god. I didn’t have a bible and figured if god cared he would reach me somehow. Well that didn’t happen.

In fact gods lack of assistance in my life was pushing me in the other direction. I was starting to think about worshiping the devil to see if that would work.

I finally just called all of it silliness. You can’t believe in satan and not god. And the other way around. You have to do away with them all and trust what can be observed. It makes me sad to be discriminated against. What is even worse is that to me this is the only time I have to live. At least you have heaven. I want to enjoy my life as best I can.

I guess Christians think the big bang is silly. I think if God can pop in to exsistance, why can’t the universe?

How would god have thoughts and feelings and motivations existing in a universe that was empty before he created everything? How is zero stimuli a motivation to create?

I’m sorry to hear that you had some negative experiences with Christians. I wouldn’t let it sour you off the belief system for life though.

You can enjoy your life to the best you can and have God. It’s the greatest misconception ever that you can’t have both.

Have you ever thought that maybe God is the Universe? I’m only asking.

Words cannot express divinity. Being a Buddhist I don’t find it necessary to argue about religion. These arguments have resulted in a lot of evil. Negativity smiles when we argue, please don’t argue, be at rest. Express your feelings freely, people will believe you just by looking at the sincerity in your eyes. Jesus didn’t argue when he reached a certain point, he just did what he had to do and he accepted his father’s vision. Every person suffers until he embraces god totally, don’t argue, don’t suffer. Sent those who are ignorant your love, when they strike, turn the other cheek…

So are you saying that if a terrorist smashed Jesus in the balls with a claw hammer he’d be turning around to let the guy boot him up the ass? Are you out of your mind?

I’m sorry but I can’t stand for people who portray Jesus as a peace loving hippie. He can and WILL be as violent as Al Pacino in Scarface when he returns to earth. We should seriously consider ourselves lucky that there are no chainsaws in Heaven otherwise he’d slice all of our Johnsons off and throw them away like bad figs from the tree.

I’ve read some of your other posts and I’m afraid you’re being disingenuous at best. Any argument I can make you can counter with something along the lines of “The Bible tells me so,” “You don’t understand the nature of God,” or “It’s a matter of faith.” This is not proof of the strength of your position, rather it is an example of the futility of trying to disprove something claimed out of faith instead of reason. I can no more disprove your God than you can disprove Vishnu, Russell’s Teapot, and many other similarly fantastic claims.

I’m curious what would convince you? Can you think of a piece of physical evidence, or a circumstance that would be enough to shake your faith?

If I ask for proof of God, you’ll probably tell me not to test God. I suggest you reread the story of Elijah and the prophets of Baal for an example of God proving himself to unbelievers. I’m not asking for holy fire, though that would be awesome, but I do need something more substantial than bronze age myths recorded by mortal men, divine inspiration claims notwithstanding.

I’m guessing you reject Mormonism despite the divine inspiration claimed. Or Islam and many other world religions that have a similar history, claims, and evidence or lack thereof, as Christianity.

I was a Christian for many years. My deconversion had little to do with proof that God doesn’t exist. Rather I came to realize over time that many claims of Christians don’t hold water. The commendable portions of the Bible, such as commands to treat each other well, are not unique to Christianity, nor did they have their start there.Compare the story to Jesus to that of Horus in ancient Egypt, or the ten commandments to portions of the Hammurabi code.

In conclusion I invite you to examine your personal position on slavery and women’s rights, and compare that to the Bible’s. Then ask yourself if your morality is wholly dependent on the Bible. Chances are you have accepted the story of Christianity on the basis of authority (Parents, Pastors, Teachers, etc) and not on it’s own merits.

I doubt I have shaken your faith, but I have done my best to be honest and respectful. My only hope is that you will examine your faith with at least as much attention to detail and detached honesty as you give to the purchase of a new car. Research claims made and test drive other models, you may decide to ride your bike instead.

Your Friendly Neighborhood Atheist,
Olli

I have examined my faith Ollie and I’m still sticking with Jesus as he is a comfort to me. Nothing could shake me from my faith as I know I’m right. I have seen the Living God standing naked above my bed on many nights. It scared the lights out of me but it was a Revelation.

I was almost blinded by the sheen off His righteous sack of magic.

I don’t believe in Teapot’s in space as it doesn’t say anything about them in the Bible. I don’t believe in comets, meteors or dinosaurs either for that matter.

I have an inquiring mind and I need to see evidence before I can subscribe to anything. I have seen the Living Jesus work wonders in my friends lives and that’s why I still remain a Christian.

Thank you for your message.

I have known many atheists who were good people that saw it fine to let people have their own freedom. Some atheists with bad morals that were bad people and hurt religious people because they were different.

I have known Christians who were also good people and allowed other people to be there own way. And then there are people like the author of this site who is willing to criticize a group of people based on stereotypes. I’m an atheist and guess what, i take time out of my Sunday to work in a church’s nursery for children out of goodness of my heart for no money.

I don’t spread my thoughts to other peoples children because i think I’m right. its their decision to believe in what they believe in. And while another atheist might go there to convince the children otherwise, not all of us are like that. Not all of us will meddle in your business.

Sure a lot of people are willing to fight you on the internet. Some people might get drunk and loose their cool. But not all!

A christian might easily get drunk and preach to other people about heaven as a atheist that he believes god doesn’t exist. No one is the same so stop saying it like we are and start using the word “some” when you talk about atheists.

It’s not enough to just be good regardless of whether you’re Atheist or Christian. All that matters is being right by God. I am right by God, are you?

I do not believe in god I have done research into many religions and have just found hundreds of holes in the stories (and don’t tell me god put those there to test our faith).

I would like to start with the Christian faith lets track back a couple thousand years back to the time of  Jesus birth did you know that Mary was JEWISH Jesus farther was Jewish therefore Jesus must have been Jewish. There was no such thing as Christianity until Jesus came along he preached Judaism when he died it was his followers who created Christianity and if you refute that then Jesus must have created it and would that not make him a selfish kind of guy putting his name in the religion who else does that? Not even scientology – perhaps one of the hardest religions to believe.

So later on we go back to the crusades where christenings wage war against the Muslims and the Jews (the Muslim religion also came from Judaism) why would god let his son die for mankind just so they can split up and start killing each other? And don’t tell me that it wasn’t his plan isn’t he supposed to be omnipotent.

And then judgement day if someone could please explain that to me because my understanding is that on a certain day great evil will come down and kill all of us who don’t believe in god ….WHY?   What about the babies and the children who aren’t even old enough to understand who god is never mind believe in him are they all going to hell to?

My final closing argument is this god is supposed to be all powerful and omnipotent. How is that possible? It’s not think about it if you’re all powerful you can do anything if your omnipotent you know everything that ever has been and ever will be ok. So God comes to a cross road he knows he’s going to go left because he’s omnipotent then he can’t go right so he’s not all powerful think about it if he was all powerful he could chose to go right or left but if he’s omnipotent he knows which way he’s going to go so he can’t go the other way or he would know he would go the other way.

Erin

Hi Erin, please do not worry about the children, they will be automatically be saved as they are true at heart.

It is difficult to understand God’s omnipotence – because as humans we are ignorant and our brain is made of badly organized dirt. It is best to place your faith in God and to not challenge his overall authority otherwise you will make Him angry.

When God is angry he smashes up plates in Heaven and makes Jesus run to his room in a blind panic.

Hello Mr. Kroner I will try to make this brief. I once was a follower of Christ like yourself but began to severely question that belief when everyday I would hear about thousands of children dying in Africa from very easily treatable diseases, a woman drowning her children in a bathtub because “God” told her to, or seeing my seventeen year old cousin who goes to church whenever he can and prays every night before bed go through brain surgery because of a fist sized tumor in his head.

I don’t understand how an all powerful, forever present, all loving being could exist when these injustices and more are forever around us. Also the existence of all other religions in the world greatly contradict your belief in your singular God. How would you explain the existence of all of these different schools of thought including variations of your Christian beliefs such as Catholicism, Protestantism, and Eastern Orthodoxy? Are all of these different types of believers condemned to eternal hellfire as well, are they correct while you and I are wrong, or am I correct while you and the other beliefs are wrong? In my opinion there is no way to tell until the inevitable end and telling someone that you will laugh with Jesus on Judgment Day is a very un-Christian like act and that Jesus would not be laughing with you.

I do however believe that our two ways of thinking can coexist. There is no way that one belief could be standard across the whole world, Christian or otherwise, society would become too stagnant and we need different ways of thinking to balance each other out.

And before you call me an unintelligent, undereducated, and religious hating pig I’ll have you know that I am currently studying for a degree in automotive engineering, spend at least a few hours of my time every month doing volunteer work with the local homeless shelter, and have a very healthy and respectful relationship with Jehovah’s Witness fiance. I know that I probably won’t be able to convert you today but I hope that at the very least I was able to convince you that not all atheists are out to tear your beliefs down or destroy what you love and not all of us deserve to burn in the eternal fire.

I am an agnostic almost atheist because there is not a solid reason that proves the existence of a god, you can just like say  “look at plants and animals they are so perfect” I mean yes they are perfectly fit to their environment but you weren’t there when they were created also feeling is not proof of god… some people say that they can feel god but to me that means nothing and assuming there was a god why would he make such a bad world, i mean i have had a good life but other people suffer the load.

Why would god allow that, why would he allow people to behave in bad ways?

If you say that he wanted to give us free will then you have to explain why he cant give us free will+make us good persons with perfect lives i mean he is god after all right?? he supposedly created the universe and such so giving people a decent life should be easy as pie – unless he wanted to test us but I mean there is no reason to do that if he created us and he is all powerful why would he make us go through such trials maybe hes doing it for the lolz who knows.

I know you are going to say that we cant understand god but you cant hide behind that all the time.

I could literally give you dozens of reasons why i don’t believe in god but i know it will take us nowhere.

Anyways I think there might be a god and maybe this is the way he planned everything like making his existence so hard to prove for some dark reason, I wouldnt beat on it tho and i want to make clear that i am not saying that i am 100% that there is no god because its such a huge question and i think everyone who claims knowing if god exist or not is a fool, believing on the scientific method is perfectly reasonable in my opinion, it is testable reliable and it helped the development of humanity so much thats why i am more inclined to believe in the scientific approach to the universe and creation rather than in the religious approach which is kind of nuts if you ask me.

I was crying whilst reading your post my friend. Crying because you are at a crucial crossroads in your life where you’ll either choose to become a Siamese bitch of Dawkins or a Believer. All I can say is keep searching for God and you’ll find him. You obviously recognize something is behind all the majesty in nature.

Keep talking to God and he’ll keep talking back.