People like me see the existence of God and Science (i.e. evolution, the big bang) as companions rather than enemies. Think about it. Now, we have irrefutable proof of the big bang, but we have no idea where the nucleus of matter that exploded INTO the big bang came from. The only possible, current and reasonable explanation is that this matter was designed and brought into the universe by some sort of higher power (or powers.)

To me and many others, this fusion of atheism and creationism makes far more sense than either of them alone, and as such it is what I strongly believe. Call me a non-believer if you will, but I follow both my head and my heart equally.

And one last thing; have you ever realised how much of organised church is just a big power play? Many people who attend church hold God as a tool in their hands, not in their hearts. Even when I was christian I noticed this – it was far better to worship and solitude.

Where you there at the Big Bang my friend? How do you know what happened? You cannot be Christian and reconcile the irreconcible. God created the Earth and we don’t need Science to prove this. We just need instinct and the capacity to analyze the evidence.

You’re a highly confused young man. You need to spend less time on the internet masturbating until your eyes droop and more time praising Christ.

Remember this – Atheists aren’t very good at thinking critically. They spend so much of their time fantasizing about a threesome between themselves, Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens that they don’t have energy to be rational.

This post came from a guy called Dennis who seems to take his Science a little too seriously……

I’ve scanned though your site, and I can only hope that I would be correct to assume this is a parody. You seem to be a walking(or typing) collection of cliches, platitudes, and circular reasoning. But I have a feeling that you are genuine.

I do not believe that even if I came to you with incontrovertible evidence of the non-existence of god it would shake your faith. So I’m going to turn this around on you a bit.

First some caveats. Smugly saying that science doesn’t know everything is no revelation to any legitimate scientist. Science does not need to know everything it does not suffer in any way from lack of perfect knowledge, because science is not a religion. It is a method. the good scientist make observations about a phenomenon say electricity, forms a hypothesis (an educated guess and the scientific word for the idea that most people label as a theory) then designs an experiment to test that hypothesis. he takes the data from the experiment and sees if it supports or refutes this data. given enough time. He then takes all his conclusions and sends it to reviewed by people educated in the same field as he.

Scientists being every bit as human as anyone are prone to protect their own work and so will look for the tiniest flaw in his conclusions. if it stands it is published and becomes probationally true. that probation period last forever. If ever new data comes to light that contradicts the conclusion it is thrown out or revised. over time it build to a theory which is Accepted Fact until proven otherwise. This is why i trust in science. Not because it knows everything or is always right but because over time the method produces a picture of the universe that is ever more accurate. The method has proven itself, exemplified by the computer I type on. The digital camera that took the picture of you that I see below. The fact that I did not die of a burst appendix when I was twelve because the doctors knew what was happening and removed it, and a billion other things.

Everything I have ever read or studied science wise, describes a universe where it is absolutely unnecessary to postulate the existence of a deity. And in fact shows the historical and scientific inaccuracies of every holy book ever written.

And so I must accept one of two conclusions. That there is a god, but he created a universe in which he is undetectable and indistinguishable from a purely mechanistic universe, or there is no god and the universe is exactly as it appears to be. The simplest explanation all else being equal as they say. This is why I am an atheist.

So I ask you now, What further hard evidence can you give me to change my mind? Nothing anecdotal, no arguments from authority as I don’t care what Newton or Einstein had faith in, only what they could prove. and please do not quote the asinine drivel that is Dembski and Behe. I have read them and dismissed them.

As a side note I and I think most atheist do not hate Christians. I can speak only for myself but I feel sad for you. I get angry and rabid at those of you who want to encode your hateful bigoted morality into MY government and tax funded schools. Who want a theocracy. who want to deny me the right to vote. to say I am not a citizen. that I am not an American.

If that is not you, if you want to live your life as you see fit and leave me to live mine as i see, so long as neither of us physically harms or steals from the other. Then you are ultimately my ally and I have no reason to interfere.

I don’t have to give you any evidence Dennis. You have to search within yourself to find the truth. God is waiting on you to invite Him into your life. Until you do that he’s absolutely powerless.

I can’t do anything to convince you Dennis. Your head is effectively jammed up your ass. You love science too much, therefore you cannot realize God.

I feel really sorry for you.

Science doesn’t recognize God because it knows that if they were to truly acknowledge God’s existence then the entire system would collapse. That is the power of the Almighty. The truth of the Almighty. This is why Atheists are so hyper-defensive. They know they are fighting an uphill battle.

Another day and another hate-filled email from a Godless.

How disturbing.

I have been accused of many disgusting acts by a complete stranger. Someone who is obviously malevolent. All these bizarre accusations … horrible things … rape, murder, all of the most terrible things that happen to innocent people every day.

I am extremely insulted.

I would never hurt anyone because I am capable of love. And I hardly need a Bible to tell me what that is. Animals – “violent, ugly monsters”? And you say I lack morality? I love animals and treat them with respect. I suppose you torture them in your spare time? That is awful.

Also, whoever you are (I don’t care), the reason we don’t see chimps reading that sadistic book is because we have evolved from them. Go ahead, turn your back on science. Who cares about the enormous amount of evidence? Yeah. Nice one.

Furthermore, if Jesus were real than I wouldn’t hate him. On the contrary, if all of those wonderful things were true, I would think him a great person. Ah, but I don’t. How arrogant must you be if you think the millions of species on this beautiful Earth were all put here specifically for Humans? Are you so egotistical? Get over yourself.

You and I are no more important than the tiniest microorganism. I do not hate authority figures; I have the mental capacity to question them. I think for myself and I am a slave to no one. By the way, Richard Dawkins is a brilliant man. He knows more about life than any religious person could possibly fathom.

The fact that you want to “punch the TV” every time you see him demonstrates just how violent, dangerous, and hurtful you must be. I do not hate religion because I don’t understand it – I hate religion because it has caused more pain and suffering in every stage of human history than any other single idea.

I hate it because it divides people instead of bringing them together. I hate it because without it, world peace would actually be attainable. I hate it because it is false. “Atheism can’t prove that there is no meaning to life.” Correct. But you know what else? You can’t prove that there is. “I’m a rational human who needs evidence to believe in something.” Really? Let’s see your evidence. Let me tell you something – You do not have all the answers. You and I are not special relative to the universe.

The difference between you and I is that I do not hate. I do not hurt. I do not make excuses. I do not believe that rape, murder, or any other unspeakable act can be justified. I just believe in Love. And that is the most important thing in the world to understand.

You hate God therefore you hate his Creation. This is evident in your preachy diatribe that will sicken any sane minded individual.

Before you post next time, do your research. Religion brings people together. It’s Atheism that divides. Divides us from God. It divides us mentally from His Creation so that we think that we’re alone in an uncaring universe. If you were at all sane (which you’re not by your bizarre ramblings) then you’d know this.

You’re only disturbed because you hate everything good and pure in the world. You’re the sort of sick individual who’d take a hammer to a puppy just because it was born with only three paws.

You don’t understand Creation therefore you try to justify it by accepting everything Richard Dawkins says as fact. You just aren’t very bright, are you? It’s a wonder you can even operate a computer.

Next time have some courtesy for the Christian community before you spout your hate on the Internet. It just makes you look narrow-minded to rational Christians.

I’m sorry I’ve been away so long friends, we’ve had a death in the family which made me question my faith in God momentarily.

I’m currently running through a backlog of ‘Arguments With Atheists’ segments so if you’ve posted one recently I have received it, I just haven’t processed it yet.

Anyway here’s one from an Atheist who doesn’t understand God.

I think you got atheism all wrong.

Firstly I’d like to point out that we aren’t satanist (because believing in the devil requires belief in god)

Secondly I’d like to point out the difference in some atheist.

Some just don’t believe in god, while others believe there is no god. which sound the same but a very different things.

I personally belong to both camps, as I see no reason to believe in god, and I am also fairly convinced there is no god.

Not to be confused that I am convinced without a doubt that god exists, but I don’t live my life based on that premise because it seems to me highly unlike given the nature of the universe, and if I turned out to be wrong, I really don’t think god is anything like the god of the bible.

So anyways, to supply you with an argument that would humor your idea of god, I was born into a christian family, I did at a point believe in god and I was cautious not to sin.
So why did I become an atheist? If god gave me free will, why hide himself from me knowing that the information out there will turn me into an atheist?
So I can go to hell for not being completely obedient which pretty much denies me free will.

I see you often referring to hell as a good argument to believe in god, because as long as I do either way wrong or right I won’t goto hell, but if that’s the price to pay for free will I’ll gladly choose the chance that hell might just exist.

I also think I came across you saying once that atheists have no right to mock Christians, as if it were some sort of hate speech.
Hate speech comes into play when there are conditions completely out of your control attributed to you. (like race or gender)

Religion is a choice, and I respect your right to make that choice, but don’t expect me to take your beliefs seriously.

Hell is not an argument against God. However if you continue to hate God in the way that you do, then it won’t be long before you’re swimming in the lake of fire along with your friend Lucifer who you seem to love so much, especially considering you ‘don’t believe in him’.

Religion is not a choice. We were born to pay respect to Jesus as our one and only Savior. If you can’t understand that, then quite frankly you must be of below average intelligence.

Ok firstly I would like to say that many atheists don’t actually have problems with the possibility of God many believe that there could be a god but just don’t see any hard proof of a super natural being, most atheists have problems with the stubbornness and thick headed beliefs of many religious people the problem they have with them is that they only believe in one set thing and are not open to the idea that they could be wrong almost all atheists that I know change as new ideas come up and old ones are discredited.

If you don’t have a problem with God, why don’t you just give him a chance to do wonders in your life? What have you got to lose?

Besides that Christians in particular have been killing us oppressing us and torturing us for centuries because we would rather be expanding the mind rather then pandering to a book that regardless of what anyone says was written by men over the course of centuries and yes the bible does teach good things but nothing different then what we should be doing anyway regardless of heaven or hell I personally would rather spend my life living well and being a good person then just doing it so I can get into heaven.

OK, have I tried to kill you? I’m a Christian. It’s offensive to say that Christians want to kill Atheists. We just want to educate you about the reality of the universe. Why’s that a crime? We aren’t pandering to a book. We are pandering to God.

Again what’s wrong with ‘pandering’ to something you hold dear?

Good intentions and well being should be personal not biblical. and as a second note about the birth of Christ and all that I do apologize for what I am about to say because I know that it is a bad thing to say regardless of my beliefs or yours but in my honest opinion I believe that the “virgin” Mary was in fact just trying to keep herself from being killed in saying she had an immaculate conception.

This is insane…

I say this because she lived in a place which is to this day well known for killing teenage girls who get pregnant before marriage so if you realized you were a), a woman and b), pregnant without being married and were about to be beaten and stoned to death what would you do sorry if that offended you but it might give you something to think about and on a third note about god in any religion you say god created the universe and us and we say the universe came from a single super dense ball of matter that exploded giving us everything we are and will be but I say these are not so different could it be that the idea of your god and the our theory are almost the same the only real difference is we have a prologue to our story and the dates are different besides that the only difference between you and me is that you believe in a book that’s 2000 years old to live your life and I live my life by how I believe it would be used to better other lives.

Sincerely, Krugle

You were making sense up until the very last bit Krugle.

How can you be so ignorant to believe in religion. YOU BELIEVE IN A FAIRY TALE. Do you really believe a man lived in a “big fish” for three days? haha, or believing that “god” can hear and comprehend everyone murmur to him at the same time. The ten commandments are ridiculous and childish, excluding the stealing and killing. But we would have figured out that steal other peoples’ stuff is wrong and that killing other people is wrong, without religion.

You’re not educated enough in the science or religion department. Jesus is not my lord, he didn’t die for my sins. Well…think about that…died for our sins…meaning..hey go out and butt-f*** a teen, kill your boss. because your not sinning because technically there are no sins. read the first testament. Wow god was a real dick killing innocent people due to one mans actions.

Yes I believe that Jonah lived in a whale. Just because it might seem ridiculous to you, doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. If you were open-minded enough to look at the real science behind it then you’d think differently.

You only think that the 10 commandments are ridiculous and childish because you don’t want to keep to them. You are a sinner and you need God but you just don’t want to admit this because inside you’re a weak person.

Why do Atheists have to use such coarse language in order to demonstrate their point? Surely if they had truth on their side then they could just calmly state what’s true, instead of trying to abuse Christians with cusses!

Of course you are from USA, and yes atheists want to destroy (or change) your society. I am one, I am atheist but I respect you because you have the right to believe what you want. I will never try to convince you.

But listen, I am not going to tolerate you to insult me or do ANYTHING against me or my freedom. If you persist ignoring other people rights we are going to find the way to put you in the right place for fascists, criminals and hate people; JAIL.

You can not say atheism is evil, because I am a atheist and I am not evil and I don’t want the suffering of anybody SO CHANGE THIS NOW!

Stalin was an Atheist who wanted to change society too..

Change what now? My opinion about God? I thought you had respect for me? Obviously that’s baloney otherwise you’d support my right to say what I want.

Just because you’re atheist and not evil, then every other Atheist on the planet is the same as you? What if you were evil? Would that mean that every Atheist on the planet is dark-sided?

If you don’t like reading about God, then please just visit another website.

Thank you kindly.

Hi, I’d like to pass a few thoughts of mine your way.

As a precedent for the words that follow, I am not here to slander you or your faith. I believe a faith or the lack thereof should be one chosen by an individual who is fit of mind, rather than through societal pressure or blind judgment. Therefore, I shall simply share my musings in hopes we can both gain something from it.

Second, I admire your steadfast dedication in defending your religious beliefs. Unfortunately, I respectfully do not agree with your statements regarding the “extremely arrogant, disrespectful and rude” atheists.

Reading a few stories on your blog today, I see how one could form such a conception that all atheists (or agnostics like me, I suppose) are intolerant of the Christian faith. The story of poor Margaret in particular is quite a shock to me; no human should be subject to harassment, especially one as severe as the situation described.

However, I know plenty of wonderful Atheist and Christians in my life; the same extends to the Jewish people, Agnostics, Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, and the odd Wiccan or Buddhist alike. I know just as many, if not more, people in my life who are bigots, chauvinists, or simply terrible humans. Who are these people? They are Atheist and they are Christian. They are the Jewish, Agnostics, Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, and the odd Wiccan or Buddhist. Regardless of race, gender, political alignment, or religion, many people are, simply put, assholes. We just have to surround ourselves with the positive sort.

Perhaps it will be important to bring up the fact that I am still a junior in High School. Yes, I am young, still learning about life; that I will not deny. However, are we not all still learning? The pursuit of education is the essence of the human spirit; study and rational thought forms the heart of theology, philosophy, and science…

Let us not forget important humans such as Socrates, who influenced much of western philosophy and subsequently politics, religion, and science; equally important is Aristotle’s contemporary Peter Abelard, who is famous for Sic et Non (Yes and No,) a paper meant to apply logic to theology; even John Locke, a thinker of the Enlightenment, reasoned for boundaries between faith and reason despite being an adherent of Protestantism himself.

Perhaps I shall also mention even the founding fathers of our country recognized a need to separate religion and state. Because of our forerunners of contemporary western thought, all those Platos and Adam Smiths and Mary Wollstonecrafts, we now live in a country where we are free to believe in the things we want to believe in. Our diversity is our strength; women are equal to men, all races stand shoulder to shoulder, and democracy, rather than singular theocracy, stands triumphant in America.

On a tangent, I should mention I witness this every day. My fellow peers are evidence that diversity is positive. These young men and women utilize their differences to their own benefit in collaboration; the gears of the Socratic Method turn smoothly and silently in the background. Perhaps it is because we are academics, humans who pursuit knowledge in AP courses and debate clubs. If the situation may be so, it is a good thing; a truly egalitarian society may be born from the ashes of the old, a place where humans can live in mutual harmony…

But I digress. Perhaps this response is idealistic; for that, I apologize. I guess I would like to assert my main point: please don’t make a sweeping generalization of an entire demographic of people based on the most egregious, most flagrant of offenses caused by them. I plead you to please think of this in the future, and perhaps post these thoughts so I may hear your cordial response. I would like to end this post with a particularly favorite quote of mine, courtesy of Benjamin Franklin:

“Men differ daily, about things subject to Sense, is it likely then they should agree about things invisible?”

Best regards – AJ

All I can say is that I agree with most of the points that you made. Diversity is obviously positive in society.

I can’t say anything in contrary to what you just said!

Just because you went to college means you know everything there is to know about logic? LOGICAL FALLACY.

I admit, I do not know everything there is to know and i also admit science can not provide us with all the answers. But science has come along way from the belief of a flat world to a planet.

I did not say it is wrong to be in a relationship, however it is my opinion that it is not psychologically healthy to be in a relationship with an imaginary friend at the age of 56.

By stating you are close minded about your faith, what is the point in having an open invitation for atheists to posts their arguments and saying you will convert?

You have berated and insulted every atheist and yet you are mad that I berated you as a christian?

Mr. Kroner, do you really believe Every person is a decendant of Adam and Eve? If so then please explain why human DNA is 98% similar to that of a rat.

Did Eve mate and give birth to rats and chimps too? I am not mocking your god, i am simply doubting him. I can not follow, believe, and trust in something blindly. I do not live my life in fear of a god or hell. I live MY life, not His.

God is not my imaginary friend. Do you realize how insulting this is to Christians? You’re asking me to be forthcoming to Atheism, yet you can’t even do your Lord Jesus the courtesy of not openly pissing on his grave!

I do apologize to you for being so mocking of Atheists. Sometimes I just get carried away and it’s hard to contain my emotions. I occasionally make the wrong choice when I’m preaching to Atheists but I feel like I’m right only about 95% of the time.

Eve was a harlot so God only knows what she let up her front fanny.

Now a rebuttal of theism by the most famous person on this website aside from myself. I present to you, Mandat who seems to think I’m some form of Hitler.

Oh my god awesome i love that you finally have let us do this.

Of course, psychologically speaking this will not convert you as schizophrenic delusions do not accept intellectual counter-proofs.

Anyway, here we go.

Firstly of course i must start with the theodice paradigm, i.e. Yaweeh or Buddha or Allah or any of the other ones prohibit themselves from existing. Whilst this does not prove that no such thing as a god can exist, merely that the various gods as defined by religion exist.

Mandat is right when he says that Buddha does not exist.

Most religions maintain that their god is omnipotent and omniscient, both these are impossible concepts as to be omnipotent you would have to be able to create soething that you couldn’t do and therefore not be omnipotent. similarly omniscience would take away a being’s free will. also the main paradigm as below;

“If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty. God can’t be both almighty and good. There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the universe?”

If everything must have been created, then god must have been created as well. If god is not created, then everything mustn’t have a creator, so why should life or cosmos have one?

If everything has a source and god is that source, then god must have existed without it before he created it. So if god created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. If all life must come from something and that is god, god is not alive and hence non-existent. If moral must come from god, god lacks moral. If logic comes from god, god is illogic. If nature comes from god, god is unnatural. If existence comes from god, god is non-existent. If god is the cause of everything, god is void

A rather nice although generally pointless bit of verbal gymnastics defines gods as non existent. If he created time and space and existence then he would have to have been outside time and space and existence and therefore not exist.

There is much similar verbal trickery to negate the existence of gods however this will not convince you as I know it will not convince me. The way that schizophrenics are often treated is by getting them to question their own delusions and attempt to prove them to themselves which they then of course fail to do allowing them to regain some form of sanity. Unfortunately the general delusion makes an absolute proof of a gods non-existence.

It is much like Bertrand Russell’s teapot. He stated that there was a teapot orbiting the sun somewhere between earth and mars, he also stated that it was too small for our telescopes to see. Because of this we cannot prove it’s non-existence however this does not then mean that it does exist. In fact it’s existence is so unlikely and illogical that it can only be taken to be non-existent.

Now tell me, what is different between this teapot and god except that the teapot is actually more probable to exist.

Here’s a scientific little glitch which is sure to offend your sensibilities. If some form of god did create the universe and all life then he did a pretty shit job. Indeed humans can design and build much better versions of various naturally occurring things. For example the eye, which creationists somehow seems to think proves their point (i’ve never got that argument) in most land animals the eye is made backwards and upside down making it inefficient and causing photons of light to have to pass through many different lumps of tissue and fluids which is unnecessary and degrades the ’signal’.

Conversely the eyes of octopodes (I notice the spell checker wants me to use the incorrect octopi), whilst different does not have this flaw. There are millions of examples of such flaws and all of these, such as the eye can be designed and made much better by humans.

So if you insist on maintaining this belief in yaweeh/mickey mouse/ra/whoever then you have to admit that they have lower intelligence than humans.

God popped into existence once humans evolved to be intelligent enough to question it’s environment. The only reason we have to suspect god’s existence is that a long time ago some cave man came up with a theory that the big yellow thing in the sky had power over him. This then developed into your much more complex and much more damaging delusion.

Why would god condemn 99.99999% of his creation to hell? I believe that you say only those that believe in god go to heaven. No animals do but do they deserve to go to hell.

Mandat. You’re obviously a very intelligent young man, but you do not know everything.

I understand what you’re saying about the teapot but it’s a poor analogy. There’s absolutely no evidence for a teapot in outer space AND there’s absolutely no need for tea making facilities in the outer cosmos. This is why the teapot is an absurd notion.

On earth there may be no ’scientific’ evidence for God but there is a need for him. We need him in order to be Good. We need to be saved by His grace otherwise we will be condemned to Hell for ever.

There is a God shaped hole in all of our lives. There is no teapot shaped hole in the Cosmos. Even Carl Sagan would have agreed with this.

Not everyone will go to Hell Mandat. Many will, but there are also plenty who are destined for eternal bliss for being faithful to God. We know this through the Bible.

God is both logical and illogical. He can defy his own laws as he’s beyond human and beyond all natural laws. It’s unfair to pigeon-hole Him in like you have.